June 25, 2025

Navigating SEO Measurement in the Age of AI: Insights from Mike King

Navigating SEO Measurement in the Age of AI: Insights from Mike King

Should you measure SEO by its ability to climb a tree? Hear Mike King's take on all things SEO - how AI is disrupting the space, and how measurement is (or should be) changing for this channel.

Mike King is the founder and CEO of digital marketing agency iPullRank. King's journey from battle rapping with the Wu-Tang Clan to decoding Google's algorithms lays the foundation for a spirited discussion on the future of SEO, the impact of AI on search behavior, and innovative measurement techniques.

Listen as we explore the shift from traditional click-based metrics to more complex, probabilistic methods driven by AI. Learn how SEO is adapting to changes in user behavior, including the rise of AI overviews and the challenges of measuring their impact. Plus, don't miss King's tips on leveraging advanced tools and strategies to stay ahead in the ever-changing SEO landscape.

Links from the episode:

Mike King on LinkedIn

iPullRank

Qforia

Time Stamps

  • 00:00 Introduction to Mike King

  • 00:23 Mike King's Early Career and Achievements

  • 00:38 Transition to Digital Marketing

  • 01:08 Future of SEO and Measurement Challenges

  • 01:51 Understanding SEO Metrics

  • 04:36 Google's AI Overviews and User Behavior

  • 05:21 SEO as a Brand Channel

  • 07:45 Challenges in Measuring SEO Effectiveness

  • 09:21 Impact of AI on SEO Traffic

  • 11:49 Evolving SEO Measurement Techniques

  • 18:22 Tools and Strategies for SEO Measurement

  • 25:07 Understanding Query Fan Out and Reasoning in SEO

  • 28:42 Client Education and Shifts in Search Behavior

  • 32:57 Improving Relevance and Content Structure

  • 36:04 Measuring SEO Performance and Authoritativeness

  • 43:25 Sentiment Analysis and Query Fan Out

  • 46:03 Reframing SEO for Better Investment

  • 48:41 Final Thoughts and Incremental Insights

Key Quotes: 

  • "AI is not just changing how we search; it's redefining what it means to be found."

  • "Traditional attribution models fall short in capturing the nuanced journey of today's search users."

  • "To measure SEO effectively, we need to look beyond rankings and clicks to understand true engagement."

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Michael King

https://ipullrank.com/

Michael King is a highly respected marketing technologist and the Founder & CEO of iPullRank, a digital marketing agency known for its data-driven approach. With deep expertise in technical SEO, content strategy, and conversion rate optimization, Michael champions a methodology where measurement is central to success. His work, including his book "The Science of SEO," emphasizes a scientific and analytical process for driving and quantifying marketing performance. As a prominent keynote speaker, he consistently challenges the industry to move beyond vanity metrics and focus on strategies that produce measurable business impact.